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⚪ Raoul Pal and Yat Siu, co-founder of Animoca Brands, discuss how crypto is evolving into a fully institutional, tokenized, and AI-driven economy, with altcoins, NFTs, and real-world tokenization set to grow far beyond Bitcoin. They argue that cultural adoption, financial inclusion, and blockchain-based property rights will reshape global markets as the industry matures. Recorded November 21, 2025
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Timestamps:
00:00 – Sponsor
01:05 – Introduction to The Journey an
02:28 – Guest Introduction: Yat
03:04 – Early Crypto Market Reflections
04:29 – Psychological Factors in Crypto
06:43 – Market Behavior Under Trump & Four-Year Cycle
10:13 – Wealth Inequality and Crypto Demand
11:26 – Attention Span, Generational Differences & Market Volatility
15:05 – Institutional Investment Approach & Evolution of Market Behavior
17:10 – Blockchain Expansion, Tokenization & Web3 Transition
22:09 – Tokenization as Digital Capitalism & Financial Literacy
26:21 – Tokens, Cultural Value & NFTs Beyond PFPs
32:01 – Property Rights via NFTs & Animoca Portfolio Overview
36:03 – Financial Inclusion, AI Tools & Blockchain vs API Economy
38:58 – Stablecoins, Animoca as Investment Index & Yield Creation
42:32 – Altcoins vs Bitcoin & Digital Art Ecosystem
46:37 – Portfolio Management, Open Source & AI Tools
50:02 – Scaling, Ecosystem Vision & Social Investing
52:25 – Tokonomics, Treasury Management & Token Evolution
55:01 – Social Experiments, Public Listing & Institutional Adoption
58:41 – First Mover Advantage, Investor Education & Global Accessibility
1:02:18 – Expanding Business, Currency Fit & Remittance Solutions
1:04:58 – Daily Payments, Strategic Fit & Trading Activity
1:06:34 – Reintroducing Animoca, Crypto Ecosystem & Upcoming Events
1:09:02 – Closing Thoughts and Outro
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